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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Howdy friends: I have a poster from a Dead show that says ON TOUR-CORNELL- SEPTEMBER 4
then underneath 8pm in Barton Hall.
I got it when I was an undergrad at Cornell in the late eighties. The thing is, I cannot find any record of a show in Barton Hall on September 4 of any year - there is of course a famous Barton Hall show in '77 - but that was May. Can anyone help me figure out when this 9/4 show was, or if it indeed happened? Many thanks
TD

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Everybody loves a Grateful mystery, and this one hasn't been solved yet. September 3rd 1977 at Englishtown NJ was a one-off festival show with NRPS and Marshall Tucker Band. By all appearances there was no "tour" underway.

To add some addtional intrigue to the story, September 4th was a RAIN DATE for the "Summer's End" show at Englishtown. Hit the link to see the ticket stub.

I can't imagine the pro's at the GD home office overlapping dates. Another Barton Hall hoax? Conspiracy theorists, have at it!

http://www.psilo.com/dead/showshow.php?band=1&date=1977-9-3

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 13, 2006 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show 1978

PSILO.com shows the September 4th show in 1978 as being cancelled...just in advance of the Egypt trip. Backstage pass on view at the following link...

http://www.psilo.com/dead/showshow.php?sid=247

This post was modified by Earl B. Powell on 2006-11-13 22:00:06

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 13, 2006 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show 1978

If I'm not mistaken - wasn't Mickey coming back from a broken arm/shoulder that summer? Maybe the show was booked in advance of the accident? Englishtown was probobly booked later.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 14, 2006 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show 1978

Very interesting. And does seem to make more sense than the 77 thesis. Are you sure that the image on the website is bonafide?
TD

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Garciabase lists the following shows in Ithaca. Good guess but didn't pan out...

10-27-1975 Jerry Garcia Band Bailey Hall (Cornell University), Ithaca, NY

9-18-1976 Jerry Garcia Band Ben Light Gymnasium (Ithaca College), Ithaca, NY

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Poster: HumboldtDead Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

How about 1986? Many cancelled shows due to the coma.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

nope,those show's that cancelled in 86 where midwest and westcoast,nothing on the eastcoast and the dead just where not playing small venue's in that time period.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

How big is the Kaiser? Can't imagine too much bigger than that and they were playing there up until 89.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

deadbase shows no cancell shows for cornell,they where much larger venue's in the the late 80's,could've been a prank by one of the student's on campus.what year did you pick up the poster?

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

I picked up the poster in Spring of 1987. It apparently was sitting around an office of the Student Program Board (or some such name) and another kids in my dorm gave it to me because he knew that I listened to the Dead. I got the impression it was old. the ticket prices are listed as $6.50 in advance, $7.50 the day of the show!!

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Yep. From about 85 on, I don't think they were playing anything smaller than 12,000+ seats.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

this is really interesting. someone is selling the exact same poster (mine is framed) that I have on ebay at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/GRATEFUL-DEAD-BARTON-HALL-CORNELL-FILLMORE-ERA-POSTER_W0QQitemZ160049596366QQihZ006QQcategoryZ29920QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For $1400 bucks! They also have what they think is an explanation of what happened with the show being cancelled.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

that is awesome!! - how cool is that??? You got a good rare one there - and framed!!! very very nice man!!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

the 9/4/77 story does make some sense. They were in Englishtown and there were no shows for weeks after that. Sept '76 does not appear likely...

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

now that you have the answer,i would hold on to that poster,nice snag.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

$1400 ?!!!
i sure wish i could go back to 77 or 78 when i tossed out my box of 1969 Rolling Stone Magazine's (Jan thru Sept)
And i don't even want to mention the 20 or so 69-70's Bill Graham handbills i tossed.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Ouch! Maggy and I kept everything. The little matchbooks w/ tour or venue dates. Hell, I've got a cup-o-soup container(the box that goes around the cup, not the cup) which contains a set-list and drug-induced drawing of Jerry.

I have a couple of back-stage passes and many doo-dads and beads from Mardi Gras and Chinese New Year shows. Even BASS ticket envelopes w/ Jack In The Box Coupons still attached.....why???

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Deadbase lists the following shows at Barton Hall:
05-08-77 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
05-07-80 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
05-16-81 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.

Perhaps they were scheduled to play but cancelled???

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

In all likelihood, May 8, 1977 is just a VERY ELABORATE HOAX and what everyone has is just a mixed tape.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

always wonder how that rumor got started,had an old boss that had his ticket stub framed from 5-8-77 and some photos of the show,he looked at me crazy when i told him about how some people said they nevered played that show.

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

If you google fake Grateful Dead show, you will come up with a lot of information. Including the shows from where all of the songs came from. You will also notice that there were some songs on 5/8/77 that were also played on either the 7th or the 9th and that almost NEVER HAPPENED.

Plus there is the whole snow on the ground when they came outside, even though everyone "remembers" being in shorts that afternoon. There are no archived newspaper reviews of the show. And the band members and Dick L. have always made very elusive comments when asked about it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a damn good show even if it didn't happen (but I still think the night before was a much better sho).

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

OK, I checked with someone who graduated in May of 77 and she says she remembers that they played but didn't actually go to the show. However, and this is weird, she DOES REMEMBER FOR SURE THAT THERE WAS A FREAK SNOWSTORM IN EARLY MAY 77.

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but Google it and you would be surprised. Since you are actually at Cornell, you could also see if there are old student newspapers archived from May of 77 and see if they mention the show or a freak snowstorm.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

look what I found here >> http://www.intellicast.com/Almanac/Northeast/May/
Does this include Ithaca?


May 10, 1977 -

an unprecedented spring snowstorm, spawned by a huge 5 contour 500 mb cutoff low, hit southern New England and southeastern New York. This storm, which began on the 9th, was an elevation storm. 20 inches of snow fell at Norfolk, Connecticut (elevation 1337 feet) while downtown Hartford received only 1.2 inches. The highest total occurred at slide mountain, New York (elevation 2600 feet) with 26 inches falling. Extensive damage to trees and powerlines occurred with 500,000 people without power following the storm. This was the first may snow in 107 years of records at Boston, Massachusetts although only 1/2 inch fell there. However, in the nearby suburb of Bedford, 9.5 inches fell. Of particular interest is the fact that Concord, New Hampshire received all rain from the storm, demonstrating latitude further north played no role in this snowstorm

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

It sounds like the storm STARTED on the 9th, but that the bulk of the storm was on the 10th -- this would indicate that the storm started on the night of the 9th. The Barton Hall show would have been letting out early in the morning of the 9th.

I would still like see something published from May of 77 that talks about the show.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

yes, I will check the archive of the student paper - I'll let you know. It might not be for a couple of weeks...

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Looking at Deadbase, it was an odd tour.

After 3 nights at the Capital in Passaic and 5 nights at the Palladium in NY, they play 7 shows at 7 different venues in 8 nights. Tough on the roadies, eh?

Easy to see why memory is clouded. Not like trying to recall a 3,4 or 5 night run...

During 5/77, Brokedown, Jack Straw, Mexicali and China Doll all came back for the 1st time since '74. Dire Wolf, Black Peter, Casey Jones, China->Rider and Nobody's Fault also absent since '74 re-appear in the fall/winter. What a year for performance quality and break-outs...

Hard to believe the great year of '76 has 0 of these tunes.

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Nov 15, 2006 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Yes, but '76 had monumental setlists of its own, and strengths '77 didn't have. Lots of "Let it Grows" and "Help>Slip>Franks" and "Crazy Fingers."

'77 was supercharged, no doubt, but '76 was perhaps more exotic.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: May 77 Barton Hall show

I actually now work in alumni affairs and development for Cornell. My boss graduated in '77 and they have their reunion coming up in May. I think I can put this question to rest, though it may take me until may. Let's get all the info out so I can investigate. I can tell you for sure it wasn't snowing in May in Ithaca. That's ridiculous.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Nov 13, 2006 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: May 77 Barton Hall show

I have lived in and around the Ithaca area off and on for a number of years. I can say for sure that I have seen it snow in May. As a matter of fact I remember heading to class on May 8th, 1991 and it was snowing. I remember it clearly because that's the day I decided to transfer out west. Ended up in Flagstaff, but that's a story for another day. Also, it is not that unusual to have days where you're in shorts(50 degrees is short's weather here) and have it start snowing that night.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Yeah, I checked 4/9 and 9/4 from 1970-1989 and found no matches. IF that poster is for a cancelled show it's probably pretty valuable.

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Good point. Could be the next Inverted Jenny. I was listening to NPR this weekend and they were reporting on an absentee ballot that was sent in. It had an Inverted Jenny stamp on it. The 1918 stamp last sold at auction for $550K and the last book of 4 was sold for $2.9M. Check it out here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/ts_nm/life_stamp_dc

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

why would it be more valuable if it were from a cancelled show?

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Likely all other copies were trashed. Nobody went, so no reason to hang on to a poster...Rarity...

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Timmy,
can you scan or take a digital photo of it and post it here?

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

yes, I have it at work so will bring in my digital camera and post a picture soon